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  • #31
    speaking of the excalibur rods, i was wondering what makes them better than regular 7018. (or if there's anything different) i thought about picking some of them up today, but thought i would ask if there's anything better about them than say the esab 7018 H4R rods
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    • #32
      Excaliburs

      Some 7018 H4R rods are known as "Jet Rods," and though are advertised as an "all position" rod, are really only good for flat or horizontal fillets (2F). Excaliburs are good for "9" positions, and (to me) perform better, especially uphill (fillets, overhead, & groove). Their availability is more common, especially in this part of the country.

      Hobart "418's" are the better of their 7018's.

      ESAB AtomArc are carried by a few local's here in Phoenix, but Lincoln's are more plentiful.

      Demographics say a lot about equipment and consumables. 8 out of every 10 service trucks have a Trailblazer bolted on, and boxes of Lincoln rods in their toolboxes There's still plenty of Classic 300's and Vantage engine drives running around though.

      Speaking of "Big Red," they made some major "upgrades" in their engine drives this year. Can you say: "SAE 500?"

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      Last edited by davedarragh; 04-03-2009, 09:26 AM.
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      • #33
        Originally posted by august View Post
        I would stick with 6011 for the first pass then switch to 7018 but practice first
        This would only be advisable for an open root joint design. Not a design I would like some one with little experience attempting.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by welderdude402 View Post
          speaking of the excalibur rods, i was wondering what makes them better than regular 7018. (or if there's anything different) i thought about picking some of them up today, but thought i would ask if there's anything better about them than say the esab 7018 H4R rods
          They run smooooooother .

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          • #35
            Belive it or not but I have done work on heavy equipment I have found that the 9018 1/4'' rod is the best for welding 3/4 and up the heat setting for this run between 225-275 amps. they weld much like a 7018. 5/32 rods are fine but the 1/4 is my pick. Good luck

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            • #36
              Originally posted by m.k.swelding View Post
              Belive it or not but I have done work on heavy equipment I have found that the 9018 1/4'' rod is the best for welding 3/4 and up the heat setting for this run between 225-275 amps. they weld much like a 7018. 5/32 rods are fine but the 1/4 is my pick. Good luck
              I don't really have that much experience with the big boy stuff but isn't that a little much for 3/4?
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              • #37
                Originally posted by davedarragh View Post
                Some 7018 H4R rods are known as "Jet Rods," and though are advertised as an "all position" rod, are really only good for flat or horizontal fillets (2F). Excaliburs are good for "9" positions, and (to me) perform better, especially uphill (fillets, overhead, & groove). Their availability is more common, especially in this part of the country.

                Hobart "418's" are the better of their 7018's.

                ESAB AtomArc are carried by a few local's here in Phoenix, but Lincoln's are more plentiful.

                Demographics say a lot about equipment and consumables. 8 out of every 10 service trucks have a Trailblazer bolted on, and boxes of Lincoln rods in their toolboxes There's still plenty of Classic 300's and Vantage engine drives running around though.

                Speaking of "Big Red," they made some major "upgrades" in their engine drives this year. Can you say: "SAE 500?"

                Dave
                I believe the "Jet Rods" are the 7024 series.

                The Excalibur 7018 is an excellent rod.

                The welders at our local refinery swear by the Atom Arc 7018.




                Griff

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by griff01 View Post
                  I believe the "Jet Rods" are the 7024 series.

                  The Excalibur 7018 is an excellent rod.

                  The welders at our local refinery swear by the Atom Arc 7018.




                  Griff
                  im pretty sure your right a jet rod is a 7024.
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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by reggie
                    its only being dragged behind a tractor not going to the moon...some peoples advice make simple things into megastructures...
                    Read through some of this thread, and yes you are right about this. But My teacher always taught me that no matter what your building whether it's a hook your welding to a sign to hang on your front door or building a roller coaster, you should always place the best weld possible to your ability. Everyone on here has room for improvement, No one is an absolute perfect welder. IMO if you don't consider every weld you place as practice you may overlook something that could be very valuable to you later in your career or hobby. I am new to welding/fabrication so maybe that's why i still think this way.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by davedarragh View Post
                      Might want to double-check your resources, .068, .072, 5/64" are the only sizes available in my Lincoln book.

                      There's certainly nothing wrong with E-6011's, those that complain about them, generally don't know how to use them.
                      I thought 6011 was more of an AC rod and 6010 is the rod of choice for DC, not to mention it will work excellent on the old rusted farm machine steel. then use multiple stringers with 7018.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by griff01 View Post
                        I believe the "Jet Rods" are the 7024 series.
                        The Excalibur 7018 is an excellent rod.
                        The welders at our local refinery swear by the Atom Arc 7018.

                        Griff
                        Go to Lincoln's Website and look up "Jetweld LH-70". They are high deposition 7018 H4R. and they suck for vertical ups... trust me.

                        I usually use Lincoln's Code-Arc 7018's.... I think I'm going to order in some Esab Atom-Arc's and give them a try...
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                        • #42
                          "Jet Rods"

                          Originally posted by griff01 View Post
                          I believe the "Jet Rods" are the 7024 series.

                          The Excalibur 7018 is an excellent rod.

                          The welders at our local refinery swear by the Atom Arc 7018.




                          Griff
                          Actually, Lincoln makes several flavors

                          Jetweld 1 & 3 E7024
                          Jetweld 2 E 6027
                          Jetweld LH-3800 E 7028

                          Realizing the #2 refers to "postion"

                          However, their Jetweld LH-70 & 78 MR are restricted to 1,2,3,4 G & 2F

                          Jetweld LH-73 1,2,3,4,5 G & 2F

                          The Excaliburs are more versatile for 1,3,4 F Positions

                          Hope this clears up the "verbage" of "Jet Rods."

                          Actually, the "Jetset" extends to the higher psi rods, 8018, 9018, 11018, regarding the number of applicable positions.

                          Dave
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                          • #43
                            thanks for the info on the excaliburs. sorry to steal the thread so to speak. i will have to try some of those rods for sure though.
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                            • #44
                              E-6011's

                              Originally posted by BD1 View Post
                              I thought 6011 was more of an AC rod and 6010 is the rod of choice for DC, not to mention it will work excellent on the old rusted farm machine steel. then use multiple stringers with 7018.
                              The Lincoln Fleetweld 180 6011's are designed for low OCV "buzz boxes", however, the Fleetweld 35 & 35LS are excellent DC rods. the 35LS are used for making tack welds under innershield depositis. I use Fleetweld 35's all the time, with superior results.

                              If you get the chance, try some Fleetweld 35's (6011) you'll see the difference between them and the 6011's you find at Home Depot & Lowe's.

                              The difference between 6010's & 6011's is primarily the flux.

                              EXX10 are cellulose-sodium
                              EXX11 are cellulose-potassium, which provides ionization of the arc, and more suitable for AC current. The same chemistry is used in the popular "7018 AC" rods.

                              Dave
                              Last edited by davedarragh; 04-06-2009, 01:02 PM.
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