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    Hi there. I was hoping you could answer a quick question I have. I am a mechanic and a lover of motorsports but I am the kind of person that likes to pop the hood and say " I made that ". So anyways. I have the chance to buy a welder from my Snap-on dealer and just add it to my snap-on credit or... My Matco dealer will finance me a Miller welder. The question is what welder do you think would suit my needs best? heres a link for the welder I planned on getting from Snap-on
    http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item....re&dir=catalog
    Now my dealer told me I can MIG any type of metal and I can TIG steels but not aluminum. I plan on doing a good amount of work with aluminum intercooler piping, intercooler, radiator, intake manifold ect.... Can I just MIG all of that stuff? or should I just buy a REAL TIG welder and cheap out on a 110 MIG welder that only does some metals?
    I REALLY apreciate you even taking the time to read this, I know I said it was a quick question I just want to know exactly what I need before I make such a large purchase. Thank you for you time.
    B.Banner

  • #2
    You could prolly get 2 Millers for the price of the snap-on and the snap-on is not even in the ball park as far as quality or performance is concerned.
    Snap-on is WAY overpriced. Their handtools are great but their re-badged products are just ridiculess on price. I've been bit by them myself a time or two
    So yes...get a REAL welder.
    And check prices before you go with matco as well...

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    • #3
      LINK not working for me?
      Ed Conley
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      • #4
        Originally posted by FusionKing View Post
        You could prolly get 2 Millers for the price of the snap-on and the snap-on is not even in the ball park as far as quality or performance is concerned.
        Snap-on is WAY overpriced. Their handtools are great but their re-badged products are just ridiculess on price. I've been bit by them myself a time or two
        So yes...get a REAL welder.
        And check prices before you go with matco as well...
        That was what I was thinking. What would you recomend of a TIG welder? I plan on doing alot of fabrication, i'm just on a budget of around 3k or so. The reason I was gonna go with the snap-on was just because I was only gonna be paying $9 a week on my already existing account. My Matco dealr is a really good friend of mine. I just don't know which miller TIG welder to get. Im thinking this one
        http://www.millerwelds.com/products/tig/syncrowave_200/
        But with the 40% duty cycle I will have to let it rest quit a bit wont I?
        Is 150 amps gonna be good enough for the fabrication I want to do? Exhuast, turbo header, and the following aluminum stuff I said in the fist post.

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        • #5
          Do you have 220V available? That will change what welder we would recomend to you. I'm in the Motorsports business, so I know what your looking for. Get the MM180 or MM212. If you don't have 220v then for the shop get the DVI2 it does the same as the MM140 in the 120v and the same as the MM180 in the 220v. ****But if you build race cars I would get the Passport it is the same as the DVI2 but portable (perfect at the track). Ge the SG100 (spool gun) to do Aluminum. Buy a longer MIG gun because the M10 is less then 10ft.

          As far as the TIG get the Syncrowave 250DX with the tig runner package. If you will weld for hours at a time get the water cooler. Yes this is a lot of money but you must spend money to make it. I own a lot of Snap ON myself but would never buy a Span On welder. Miller is #1 for a reason. Highest quality parts and machines, The best customer service is the business, and will impress all you customer's when they see BLUE. If you need the machine to be portable then get the Dynasty 200DX. It is also a Multi voltage machine. It does 120v, 220v, and 460V.

          James
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          • #6
            Yes I do have a 220v in my garage. Is thge Dynasty 200DX not enough for motorsports fabrication?
            Last edited by B.Banner; 06-21-2008, 04:29 PM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by B.Banner View Post
              Now my dealer told me I can MIG any type of metal and I can TIG steels but not aluminum.
              ????

              You can Tig aloominum
              Ed Conley
              http://www.screamingbroccoli.net/
              MM252
              MM211
              Passport Plus w/Spool Gun
              TA185
              Miller 125c Plasma 120v
              O/A set
              SO 2020 Bender
              You can call me Bacchus

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              • #8
                Oh and to you StillBoostin, Do you think I could get by with MIG welding everything such as IC piping, intake manifolds and such?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Broccoli1 View Post
                  ????

                  You can Tig aloominum
                  I ment with that specific welder he was gonna sell me.

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                  • #10
                    Hey BB, get a Miller 200DX. I think that would suit you well! All I do is stainless and aluminum- works real well for that!
                    sigpic...John

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by B.Banner View Post
                      I ment with that specific welder he was gonna sell me.
                      ahhh Dc Tig then
                      Ed Conley
                      http://www.screamingbroccoli.net/
                      MM252
                      MM211
                      Passport Plus w/Spool Gun
                      TA185
                      Miller 125c Plasma 120v
                      O/A set
                      SO 2020 Bender
                      You can call me Bacchus

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                      • #12
                        Sounds like a Harbor Freight item, Broc!
                        sigpic...John

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by blazehaze69 View Post
                          Sounds like a Harbor Freight item, Broc!
                          dunno- Couldn't open the link. Have no idea who manufactures weldin' machines for snap-on.

                          B. Banner,

                          Stick around as other members will chime in when they get a chance- but my gut feeling is that you are going to want/need a Tig machine for your projects.
                          Ed Conley
                          http://www.screamingbroccoli.net/
                          MM252
                          MM211
                          Passport Plus w/Spool Gun
                          TA185
                          Miller 125c Plasma 120v
                          O/A set
                          SO 2020 Bender
                          You can call me Bacchus

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                          • #14
                            I have the syncrowave 200 and am still learning alum tig. I can definatly begin to see that the dynasty 200Dx might have been a better choice for alum as it gives you more options on how you can set the arc. Looking back now, thats most likely what I would get instead of my syncrowave.

                            Never had much luck with my spool gun on alum as far as small round stock. I just cant get the gun swung around fast enough to keep it in position. It's not bad on flat stock but 3/8"-1/2" round is a PITA.

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                            • #15
                              "I plan on doing a good amount of work with aluminum intercooler piping, intercooler, radiator,"

                              TIG

                              Just to get ya started, more detailed answers will get posted by others. IMHO: For your application, I think a wire feed of any kind is a poor choice for alum under 1/8". You need to have AC with HF for 'practical' alum under 1/8".

                              Many of your questions were answered here awhile back, before you found the site. Since someone reopened it, I thought you'd like to see.

                              http://www.millerwelds.com/resources...ead.php?t=2550

                              Syncrowave 250 $2500 ish
                              power hungry, 60 amp ckt, no HZ adj for arc forming capability, but they've been doing alum magic for years

                              Dynasty 200DX $4000 ish
                              low power draw, 30 amp ckt, 115v / 220v, pretty cool arc control capabilities

                              Full disclosure: I'm a hobby guy and have never touched a Dynasty.
                              Last edited by Craig in Denver; 06-21-2008, 06:50 PM.
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