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    After 2 emails and 2 phone calls I finally spoke to a rep at Diamond Ground
    about getting a couple sample tungstens for aluminum tig. I told them it had been recommended to use orange or maybe blue. I explained what tig I have.He said they recommend only pure(green) for aluminum. Seems odd to me. Comments? He is sending one orange and one brown. I hope this doesn't break the bank.
    Nick
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  • #2
    WOW! Old School, huh? Surprised they didn't offer at LEAST 3 of each!!!
    yeesh...Now will you be there loyal customer????
    I'm not late...
    I'm just on Hawaiian Time

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    • #3
      Sure will. When these are gone, I may order ONE or TWO.
      Nick
      Miller 252 Mig
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      Jet Lathe and Mill
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      DeWalt Multi Cutter metal saw
      Century 50 Amp Plasma Cutter
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      Propane Forge
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      Vist my site: www.nixstuff.com
      and check out some of my ironwork and other stuff

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      • #4
        With your Syncrowave, the green is the "standard" tungsten for Aluminum or any AC work. You can use the orange but it will eventually start to fracture the end and you will lose some performance. The absolute best AC tungsten on Syncrowaves is the Brown- Zirconiated tungsten. It is a higher current carrying tung with X-ray quality and hold a tighter ball which gives you better control of the arc.
        I'd call him back and tell him you are doing a job on a helicopter and you need to sample his Zirconiated!

        Good luck
        Andy

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        • #5
          Thanks Andy
          Nick
          Miller 252 Mig
          Miller Cricket XL
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          Jet Lathe and Mill
          Jet 7x12 horz/vert band saw
          DeWalt Multi Cutter metal saw
          Century 50 Amp Plasma Cutter
          20 ton electric/hydraulic vertical press
          Propane Forge
          60" X 60" router/plasma table

          www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTu7wicVCmQ
          Vist my site: www.nixstuff.com
          and check out some of my ironwork and other stuff

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          • #6
            Originally posted by ASKANDY View Post
            With your Syncrowave, the green is the "standard" tungsten for Aluminum or any AC work. You can use the orange but it will eventually start to fracture the end and you will lose some performance. The absolute best AC tungsten on Syncrowaves is the Brown- Zirconiated tungsten. It is a higher current carrying tung with X-ray quality and hold a tighter ball which gives you better control of the arc.
            I'd call him back and tell him you are doing a job on a helicopter and you need to sample his Zirconiated!

            Good luck
            Andy
            Andy - Interesting that you would say this. I spent a good deal of time at the Miller tent at Sun-N-Fun last April trying out the Synchrowave and dealing with a Spectrum 375 problem, and all the Al. welding being done was with 2% thoriated (red). Also, I was told by the fellows there that they used thoriated for their steel and aluminum welds.

            I have been using 2% thoriated for the last year on aluminum and haven't seen any real problems (1/8" and thinner). Am I not seeing something I should be? Perhaps I too should look at Zirc. ?

            BTW - one of the reasons I'm learning aluminum TIG is for helicopter repairs (static only).
            Thanks.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by monte55 View Post
              After 2 emails and 2 phone calls I finally spoke to a rep at Diamond Ground
              about getting a couple sample tungstens for aluminum tig. I told them it had been recommended to use orange or maybe blue. I explained what tig I have.He said they recommend only pure(green) for aluminum. Seems odd to me. Comments? He is sending one orange and one brown. I hope this doesn't break the bank.


              Oh well...it's their decision what to give you for nothing

              Guess they are just stingy with the BLUE!!!
              I would try brown and blue but am so over orange....

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              • #8
                Helicopters?

                I thought you built hoovercraft!

                John

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                • #9
                  Old Sporty

                  Hey bud....Come back to Sun N Fun again. That's another one of my shows I'll be at.

                  You "can" use 2% Thor. but it really is not the best way as the end of the tung gets pitted and the arc will wander. You may notice it or not depending on your tig experience. The other reason they had the red in was for ease of demonstrating and that is what came with that machine as a sample. I believe the sample that comes with the Sync package now is the Ceriated.

                  Look me up.
                  Andy

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by ASKANDY View Post
                    With your Syncrowave, the green is the "standard" tungsten for Aluminum or any AC work. You can use the orange but it will eventually start to fracture the end and you will lose some performance. The absolute best AC tungsten on Syncrowaves is the Brown- Zirconiated tungsten. It is a higher current carrying tung with X-ray quality and hold a tighter ball which gives you better control of the arc.
                    I'd call him back and tell him you are doing a job on a helicopter and you need to sample his Zirconiated!

                    Good luck
                    Andy
                    I HATE green...but always LOVED the brown...it lasts forever.
                    You won't go wrong with brown on a synchrowave that's for sure. I just like to use a pointed electrode now esp. on fillets. No matter what machine. It will make a grinding pro out of you tho.
                    You would prolly be better to use the BROWN as ANDY said untill you master it. It won't let you down.

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                    Miller Dynasty 200 DX "Blue Lightning"

                    Miller Bobcat 225 NT (what I began my present Biz with!)
                    Miller 30-A Spoolgun
                    Miller WC-115-A
                    Miller Spectrum 300
                    Miller 225 Thunderbolt (my first machine bought new 1980)
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Handy560 View Post
                      I thought you built hoovercraft!

                      Back in about 1983 I bought a Scorpion 1 helicopter. It had been in a barn and suffered tail boom and rotor damage when a dozer hit the barn and some of the roof fell down. He wanted a $1000........I said all I have is $650 and he took it. After many hours of going through the manuals I fixed everything except it would need a new main rotor. I doubt I put $500 into it , just a lot of time which was fun for me anyway. Wow, my very own helicopter. I did come to my senses and decided I'M NOT FLYING THIS I sold it to the first guy that saw it for $6000. A month later I was the proud owner of a 1973 Cessna 150 which I used to get my license.
                      Nick
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                      Jet 7x12 horz/vert band saw
                      DeWalt Multi Cutter metal saw
                      Century 50 Amp Plasma Cutter
                      20 ton electric/hydraulic vertical press
                      Propane Forge
                      60" X 60" router/plasma table

                      www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTu7wicVCmQ
                      Vist my site: www.nixstuff.com
                      and check out some of my ironwork and other stuff

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by ASKANDY View Post
                        Old Sporty

                        Hey bud....Come back to Sun N Fun again. That's another one of my shows I'll be at.

                        You "can" use 2% Thor. but it really is not the best way as the end of the tung gets pitted and the arc will wander. You may notice it or not depending on your tig experience. The other reason they had the red in was for ease of demonstrating and that is what came with that machine as a sample. I believe the sample that comes with the Sync package now is the Ceriated.

                        Look me up.
                        Andy
                        Andy - Thanks for the answer. Now that you mention it, I have noticed a bit of arc wander after welding a few beads with the thoriated. Thought it was just me since I'm far from an expert Tig weldor. Good information. I am looking forward to meeting you at Sun-N-Fun this year. Your explanation of the use of thoriated in the tent makes a lot of sense.

                        In the meantime, I will give serious consideration to getting some zirc. and giving it a try.

                        Thanks again, and I'll see you in a couple of weeks.

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                        • #13
                          monte55, good choice

                          rule number one is "live to tell about it"

                          having spent a great deal of life in Crash-Fire-Rescue with L.A. County Aviation Division, i can tell you the 150 was a good choice for primary training.
                          that's what i got my ticket in. helicopters are good if you have enough money to hire 3 mechanics to watch each other!

                          gyrocopters is where i'm heading though.....
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                          • #14
                            oh, right, the tungstens

                            maybe i have to have my corporate chick order the free samples so they will respond...i don't think a guy who just bought a tig to learn with counts for much juice to get samples, nor an email response.
                            syncrowave 180 sd
                            olskool craftsman (harris) o/a torch,
                            2 stage regulators
                            mini o/a torch

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by rawblacksmith View Post
                              maybe i have to have my corporate chick order the free samples so they will respond...i don't think a guy who just bought a tig to learn with counts for much juice to get samples, nor an email response.
                              I can understand that. I've had my tig for 2 years and bought all red sizes for stock, only lately having people with a lot more experience than me suggest different tungstens. They also suggested to contact Diamond Products for free samples to make a decision. Diamond Products even encourage getting free samples from them per their web site. The tungstens I purchased at first are theirs. They even recommended to contact them with E Mail or to order samples with their form. I really don't expect them to supply my tungsten habit for free. I contacted them per all the recommendations from forum members. Where I'll buy is in direct relationship to the service I'll receive.
                              Nick
                              Last edited by monte55; 03-21-2008, 01:55 PM.
                              Nick
                              Miller 252 Mig
                              Miller Cricket XL
                              Millermatic 150 Mig
                              Miller Syncrowave 200 Tig
                              2-O/A outfits
                              Jet Lathe and Mill
                              Jet 7x12 horz/vert band saw
                              DeWalt Multi Cutter metal saw
                              Century 50 Amp Plasma Cutter
                              20 ton electric/hydraulic vertical press
                              Propane Forge
                              60" X 60" router/plasma table

                              www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTu7wicVCmQ
                              Vist my site: www.nixstuff.com
                              and check out some of my ironwork and other stuff

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