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  • Onan or Kohler or Robin

    Just a quick question.

    which engine do you guys think is the best choice????

    I am picking up a new TB 302

    I don't want this to turn into a flame thread, just want your opinion!

    Thx very much.

    Railmen
    2007 Trailblazer 302G
    2004 Invision 354MP
    1999 60 series feeder
    2005 Maxstar 200DX
    2007 CST280
    1999 HF 251-1
    older Hobart hefty wire feeder
    Hyperthrem 600
    Maxstar 150S(such a cute welder)
    had and sold........
    2003 XMT 304CC/CV
    1947 Lincoln SA200G short hood
    1963 Lincoln SA200G
    1975 Lincoln SA200G(best machine ever had )
    1970's Lincoln SAE400G
    2 Maxstar's 200DX's
    1 Maxstar 200SD
    CST 280
    2 CST 250
    MM130


    Railmen

  • #2
    all good,i got a kohler cause parts and repairs are easy.bout any small engine shop can work on em,if you have too.had 2 exmark lawnmower and run em in the ground with rpms turned to 4100 and never did anything to either.i just traded my last one last summer for a dixie chopper and it had 2500 hundred hrs and didnt use a drop of oil and purred like a kitten,jmo.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Railmen View Post
      Just a quick question.

      which engine do you guys think is the best choice????

      I am picking up a new TB 302

      I don't want this to turn into a flame thread, just want your opinion!

      Thx very much.

      Railmen
      The Robin is the new name for what we used to call the Ownen before
      Ownen was sold to Cummins and the rights to this engine went elsewhere.
      they are both good engines.
      rvannatta
      www.vannattabros.com
      Miller Bobcat 225G
      Miller Big 40 ('79 gasser)<gone>
      Miller 375 Plasma cutter<gone>
      Lincoln Vantage 400
      Lincoln Pro-Cut 80

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      • #4
        KOHLER!!!

        I've got a few of them out in the shop(1 Onan, 4 Kohlers all in Cub Cadets) and the Kohlers will run circles around the bigger Onan.. Got one Kohler going together right now that should really be a runner
        Curt
        Dynasty 200Dx
        Millermatic 185

        Hypertherm 600

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        • #5
          I'm sure my dad's was just a Monday lemon, but his Onan Bobcat was plagued with fuel delivery problems from it's first season. He finally replaced the entire thing with an electric system.

          My 2002 TB301G has a Kohler, and is still making money. Very easy to work on and a great place for parts and help is www.kohlerengineparts.com.

          Even the newer "Onans" are actually Robin/Subarus and you have to get the parts from their dealerships, not an Onan place. But I do hear that they are excellent engines as well.

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          • #6
            Hey, Mac.

            I was going to get the Robin on my TB, but ended up with a Kohler. I would have had to wait three weeks for the Robin. They had Kohlers in droves. I am very happy with it. It runs like a top and the parts are WAY easier to get. Heck, I picked up my last oil filter at Home Depot for Pete's sake. ( TSC was out of them, as was my LWS, and NAPA and another WS and several other places. Someone made a run on Kohler filters that week!)

            FWIW, Robin has been around around 30 years or so?? They are a very good industrial engine. I would say get the one that you can find the parts for the easiest in your area. Robin pieces can be hard to find in some places.
            Don


            '06 Trailblazer 302
            '06 12RC feeder
            Super S-32P feeder

            HH210 & DP3035 spool gun
            Esab Multimaster 260
            Esab Heliarc 252 AC/DC

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            • #7
              Best Engine choice

              I agree with LightningStruck and choose KOHLER. Kohler is made in Kohler , Wi and has very good support through it's dealers every where except TimBukToo North Dakota.
              Think Alot
              Learn Alot
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              And Then Do It Again & Again

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              • #8
                Engine Choice

                Both Kohler and Robin are great engines. They are by far the 2 most reliable in the industry. If I bought a new Trailblazer, I'd probably buy a Robin. The Robin picks up loads from idle a little better, has a gear driven oil pump, and has sleeves around the crank in the block. If you are truck mounting this machine in tight spots, the Kohler offers a remote oil drain and filter kit that makes maintenance easy as you don't have to access either side panel. Check out www.millerwelds.com/truck for more info.

                Here is a brief history of Onan/Robin. In 1947 Miller came out with the first air cooled engine drive in the industry that was Onan powered. We used Onan almost exclusively until the mid 90's. By the late 90's, Onan's quality was on the slide and their side valve engine was becoming EPA non-compliant. Onan started selling a very good overhead valve engine (which was made by Robin and branded Onan). Cummins now owned Onan and Onans service/warranty network was becoming poor. We decided to buy the engine directly from Robin, who has a great service and parts network just like Kohlers. Since, Onan has gotten out of the engine business.

                In summary, both engines are very good and you'll be happy with either. Coalsmoke and some of the other guys that replyed are right on with their advice as well.

                Thanks,
                John Leisner
                Product Manager
                Miller Electric Mfg. Co.
                [email protected]
                Have a great day!

                John Leisner
                Product Manager
                Miller Electric Mfg. Co.

                Owner and user of:
                Trailblazer 302 and Legend 301
                Smith Dual Guard oxy-fuel system
                Various borrowed Millermatics and Spectrums.

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                • #9
                  hey great info just what I was looking for...................

                  sounds like Kohler might be the choice living in Canada with the cold weather.

                  but keep the info coming.

                  Will let ya all know which one i went with when i order it.

                  Thx Railmen
                  2007 Trailblazer 302G
                  2004 Invision 354MP
                  1999 60 series feeder
                  2005 Maxstar 200DX
                  2007 CST280
                  1999 HF 251-1
                  older Hobart hefty wire feeder
                  Hyperthrem 600
                  Maxstar 150S(such a cute welder)
                  had and sold........
                  2003 XMT 304CC/CV
                  1947 Lincoln SA200G short hood
                  1963 Lincoln SA200G
                  1975 Lincoln SA200G(best machine ever had )
                  1970's Lincoln SAE400G
                  2 Maxstar's 200DX's
                  1 Maxstar 200SD
                  CST 280
                  2 CST 250
                  MM130


                  Railmen

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                  • #10
                    I went with the robin in my TB302, just because we have a whole lot of them at work and they always start good and we run the heck out of them, we have couple Kohlers as well, but i just have more luck with the robin
                    Trailblazer 302G
                    MM 210 with spool gun
                    Thermal Arc Heffty2 CC/CV suitcase
                    Smith torches
                    Porter Cable 14" carbide chop saw
                    griders and hand tools coming out the WAZOO


                    I owe! I owe! so off to work I go!

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                    • #11
                      Railmen,
                      Living in Canada does change my tune a tad. The Kohler is a little more friendly in cold weather and if cold ever does become a problem, Kohler has a couple cold weather kits that can be used. Our Canadian customers tell me that Kohler has more service and support outlets where they are needed in Canada as well.

                      Have fun with your new machine
                      Have a great day!

                      John Leisner
                      Product Manager
                      Miller Electric Mfg. Co.

                      Owner and user of:
                      Trailblazer 302 and Legend 301
                      Smith Dual Guard oxy-fuel system
                      Various borrowed Millermatics and Spectrums.

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                      • #12
                        I would say kohler.

                        I have a kohler on my IR compressor and a onan on my bobcat. The kohler has been flawless, starts hot or cold, from 110 to -20. The only thing it has ever had done to it is change the oil and filters.
                        Had my bobcat about a year when it started to overfuel when you went to weld with it. Called onan and they said it was some carb problem and that they had a recall on that model. Took it to Rocky Mountain Cummins in Billings and they fixed at no charge. Has run fine ever since. It does seem to be a little cold blooded though. Personally I like the kohler.

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                        • #13
                          kohler

                          kohler is what I use and what I recommend to anyone



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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by John Leisner View Post
                            Railmen,
                            Living in Canada does change my tune a tad. The Kohler is a little more friendly in cold weather and if cold ever does become a problem, Kohler has a couple cold weather kits that can be used. Our Canadian customers tell me that Kohler has more service and support outlets where they are needed in Canada as well.

                            Have fun with your new machine
                            thanks for stepping up with an inside line on this. Often companies do mysterious things (as it appears from the outside) and one can never understand why.

                            Here it seems that offering the customer a choice of engines, while creating some frustration in having 2 products instead of one, has been a winner for everyone. It inspired one manufactuer who was a bit sleepy about taking care of their customers to clean up their act, so now users have 2 good choices of engines instead of one bad choice.
                            rvannatta
                            www.vannattabros.com
                            Miller Bobcat 225G
                            Miller Big 40 ('79 gasser)<gone>
                            Miller 375 Plasma cutter<gone>
                            Lincoln Vantage 400
                            Lincoln Pro-Cut 80

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                            • #15
                              Robin Subaru

                              I've got a new Trailblazer 302 with the Robin Subaru so I'm sure it MUST be the best engine ever made!
                              Matt Adams A&P, IA
                              Trailblazer 302
                              Dialarc HF

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